NinjaTrader

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Everybody,

We are working well on our integrating into NinjaTrader http://www.ninjatrader.com/web/index.htm so I wanted to get a feeling of how many people use this product and as such would be interested in purchasing the NinjaTrader version of the MTPredictor routines.

This will be by an "add-on" just like eSignal (the efs's).

This is very early days yet and we do not have a release date as yet, but if any NinjaTrader users who are interesting in adding MTPredictor to their NinjaTrader system could email me on Steve.Griffiths@MTPredictor.net so I can gauge interest, then that would be a big help.........

Thanks

Steve

[ericd2281]

Steve- I have been evaluating that product to use. I am not using it yet but probably will be soon.

Thanks,
Eric

[qitrader]

Hi Steve,

I'm up for this.

Qi

[Dentalexpert]

Hi Steve
Have tested a demo version of this and it seems like a great way of managing trades. I understand that it will take a live feed of forex data from a broker. Would this mean that you could have mtpredictor routines operate on forex data provided by the market maker platform using only ninja trader ?

Sounds like a great leap forward.

Rgds
michael

[ericd2281]

Steve- You may have not yet reached this point in the evaluation process yet but.......In Ninjatrader would the user be able to configure and run the advanced strategy management features of the software?

In reviewing the product this appears to be a very useful feature

Thanks!
Eric

[Muddy Farmer]

Steve,

If you're going down the Ninja Trader route, consider also catering to us Button Trader users.

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Guys,

We are only looking at NingaTrader for now as that has the programming code available to cope with our MTPredictor routines.

Thanks

Steve

[AumInd]

Hi steve... just to let you know that i too will be using ninja trader shortly.
i was wondering if it going to be added on to MTP as is or is it going to require the purchase of a whole new mt?

oh yeah
and great program by the way. MT has brought back my interest in the market. had it for 1 week and made 2 profitable trades already.

thanks again, congratulations on program, and great job with the service.

[mydet]

I like to get your software, but wait until you ready with NinjaTrader 1st.

:)

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Everybody,

Wow, what a great discussion on NinjaTrader…….. while it is still very early days in the coding I just wanted to update you on progress with our new MTPredictor routines in NinjaTrader.

As you can see from the chart below, we have the base coding complete and the raw set-ups are being found OK. We are now waiting for NinjaTrader to release its next Beta version so we can take account of “mouse clicks” to perform the normal WPT targets and R/R calculations, including the full position sizing calcs.

Again, it is early days, but it looks like we will be able to “alert” you to any set-up open any “open” chart (as we do in eSignal), so in this respect the use of the MTP routines in NinjaTrader should be virtually the same as in our eSignal efs’s.

We do not have a date for release, or a price as yet, but as you can see, we are making good progress.

Lastly, I would like to thank Raymond Deux and all his team at NinjaTrader for all their help; we look forward to working with them.

Steve

[gkinlaw]

Steve,

My trading buddy and I are using Ninja trader and it's great. The trading dome (like level 2) makes it easy to enter limits and stops as well as dragging the stops up and down for adjustments. The Chart Trader option on each chart allows you to drag stops/limits as well.

The advanced entry function automatically enters stops and limits when you place your order.

Best of all, the basic Ninja is free. The adanced funtions are $50/mo

I was using Realtick.

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi,

Thanks for your reply and feedback. good news, I am glad that Ninja Trader is working our well for you.

Thanks

Steve

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Guys,

I will keep you all posted as my testing progresses........

Steve

[ericd2281]

Steve- I think (but am not sure) that NinjaTrader is written in C# so that should be a very robust development language that would allow many advanced things to be done.

Is there a 'wish list' for the new version? If so, I would like to add an item to it to allow a user to enter their Broker Commission rate that would be included in the position sizing tool.

Thanks!
Eric

[Steve Griffiths]

hi Guys,

Coding is still going well, and we now have the WPT levels working and are just finishing off the R/R stuff.

So progressing well :)

Steve

[Biggo]

Hi Steve

Ninja is looking good.

Did you get anywhere intigrating MTP with Ensign Charting Software??? Or was that a dead end?

Am I right in thinking that the new MTP v6 under development will also be a real time program being able to use broker data feed from the likes of Interactive Brokers (IB) etc.? or will it still only be EOD?

Cheers:)

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Biggo,

Still exploring all avenues but some are easier to integrate than others.

Yep, we aim to have BOTH EOD data and Real-Time data in the new V6.0 of MTPredictor. Which RT data feeds we use will depend on how good (and reliable) their API's (connection with their data feed) are.

We should know more when we get onto adding the RT data feeds in a month or so. But so far the program is looking very good indeed :)

Thanks

Steve

[d-day]

It would be great if it would work with Interactive Brokers data. As it is, I will probably be switching to trade station in June. I pay for my e-signal 1 year in advance, and even with the discount for paying up front, I'm out over 2k/year in data and software fees to e-signal.

[AndyvB]

Yes Interactive would be great!!!

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Guys,

Two points here, when we connect to eSignal we should be able to use their basic package which will be a lot cheaper than eSignal premier.

On IB, yes we are looking very hard at them, and I defiantly want to work with them, but we need to iron out a few data issues. Always more difficult with "free" data source as the infrastructure and reliability are always less than with dedicated real-time vendors. This is why we pay the money because they have more robust and comprehensive data servers so data acquisition is better. But, as I said, Yes IB is on my list to take a good look at..

I would also like to look at DTNIQ.........

Thanks

Steve

[stevej]

Steve

Just a reminder that FREE RT data which is said to be of excellent quality is available from www.opentick.com.

I understand their API is stable & easy to program.

Steve

[Steve Griffiths]

Thanks Steve,

We will take a look at them as well.

Steve

[pbb]

Hi Guys,

Two points here, when we connect to eSignal we should be able to use their basic package which will be a lot cheaper than eSignal premier.

On IB, yes we are looking very hard at them, and I defiantly want to work with them, but we need to iron out a few data issues. Always more difficult with "free" data source as the infrastructure and reliability are always less than with dedicated real-time vendors. This is why we pay the money because they have more robust and comprehensive data servers so data acquisition is better. But, as I said, Yes IB is on my list to take a good look at..

I would also like to look at DTNIQ.........

Thanks

Steve



High all,

Just a note on my behalf. I think IB is there to serve it's clients with good trading software and they are doing a great job. IB is not a datavendor or quotemachine for free quotes or data. I don't think you should expect the same quality when data is free (or very cheap), especially realtime data. Besides that it's always good to have an extra pricefeed that is independent of your brokers!

Gr pbb

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Guys,

R/R analysis now in Ninja Trader..................

Progressing well here and I will keep you posted.

No release date yet, but getting closer :)

Steve

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Everybody,

I forgot to mention in the last post, we will also be able to "scan" all open charts in Ninja Trader for potential set-ups, just as we can in eSignal, please see below.

Steve

[mydet]

http://www.openecry.com/

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Everybody,

DP level now added and working............. now moving onto more testing....

Steve

[billm]

Hello all,

In this biz I have found you always get what you pay for. My experience has led me to accept no substitute for the best quality data. Currently that is from Trading Technologies and CQG. These cost less than either Reuters or Bloomberg and are faster and more stable. Both have API's and it would be great if MTP would accept their data. Going further...I would like to import MTP routines into my Market Information Machine (MIM)! That would vastly increase the value of MTP for me. How about those API's for MTP, Steve?

billm

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Guys

As far as Ninja Trader goes here are the Data feeds they work with:

http://www.ninjatrader.com/web/futures_trading_platform_company_about.htm

We have almost finished our MTPredictor add-on and are in the final few days of testing.

We are just waiting for the new v6 to be able to run our MTP add-ons:

http://www.ninjatrader.com/web/futures_trading_software_Version6.htm

Steve

[Steve Griffiths]

Steve

Just a reminder that FREE RT data which is said to be of excellent quality is available from www.opentick.com.

I understand their API is stable & easy to program.

Steve

Hi Steve,

I have just heard a rumour that NinjaTrader have just completed a connection with OpenTick, which would mean that their data should be available for use with our MTP add-ons into NinjaTrader............. Thought you would like that :)

Steve

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Guys,

Also just found out that NinjaTrader can read data directly from TS8, so how would all you TS8 users like to be able to have a flexible to use charting interface that can do multiple DP levels easily as well as the standard R/R module.... just like we have in eSignal :)

Here is an example where I have loaded TS8 data into NinjaTrader ............

Steve

[tombtrader]

Is there anyone presently using NinjaTrader as a charting package with one of the Pats broker feeds? Can you give me some feedback about data quality and speed?

Thanks

[Flavio Cirio]

I can be interested to evaluate the Nija trader platform. any people can tell me in few lines what this trading platform can give to me on top of ESignal or CQG ?

many thanks


Flavio Cirio

[Fredward]

Been looking into NT and IB. Everything is fine if you don't use any Tick Charts. I love NT6 especially and for me it does everything that TS does but only lacks in forum support. I find IB having better fills and with on average 10 contracts traded per day of YM and with say 1 pt slippage on each contract due to slower TS processing, that's $50 per day in my pocket and easily covers the monthly NT fee.

Oh, the problem with Tick charts is that IB does not send out Tick data in the traditional sense and NT, at least at this point is not about to try to accomodate it. IB takes small 0.2 - 0.3 second snapshots and sends them out instead of each trade.

Otherwise, IB and NT working very well for me. Support is excellent. No phone support that I know of but e-mail support is generally within the hour.

Love to hear others feedback on NT and IB.

Ciao,

[tombtrader]

The issue is IB not NT.

I have three feeds, TS, IB and eSignal. When I do profit testing, I get completely different results for each feed using the same tick value so I need to somehow "match" the different feeds. For IB I use typicaly a number about 20% less than eSignal.

I asked a question earlier in this thread to which I have had ZERO replies, asking about Pats data. If this data is good, then opening an account with a Pats broker using NT may be the best option.

[Fredward]

Yes your are correct. It is IB fault but NT does say that they work with IB and that is not the case for Tick charts. NT has mentioned to me that Esignal can supply just a data feed for somewhere in the $50 - $60 per month range. I might go that way and use IB data as a backup should esignal have any problems.

Thx,

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Guys

We are just adding in a Radar Screen style of window in which you can track all the markets and time frames you wish to follow. You will then be alerted both visually and audibly when a new set-up arrives.

A very neat and easy solution to following lots of markets and time frames all at the same time :)

Steve

[AndyvB]

Steve: Adding the screen would be good. I use Interactive brokers with Ninja and it works great. Thanks for this Steve!

[qitrader]

Steve,

Is there a way to customize the Font of the Risk Reward on Ninja Trader? I think they are too big based on your screenshots.

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Guys,

yep this new "matrix" will be great, see below.

Steve

[jtrade]

Hi Guys,

yep this new "matrix" will be great, see below.

Steve

Steve - in the Ninja Matrix example above, is the alert for a set-up only or set-up + reversal bar, please ?

J.

[Steve Griffiths]

We will be coding some alternatives to suite all trades, more info as we complete the coding.............. the programmer is still working on this at the moment :)

But needless so say, it will be great !

Steve

[Steve Griffiths]

Steve - in the Ninja Matrix example above, is the alert for a set-up only or set-up + reversal bar, please ?

J.

Hi J.

At the moment the Alert is for a set-up, then the background goes red (or blue) when the coloured reversal bars kicks in. So a unconfirmed, and confirmed set-up if you like, see below........

Makes it very easy to see which chart (and time frame) to go look at........ :)

Steve

[tombtrader]

I'd love this in eSignal version.Background change beats having all that noise. I've voice coded each market to say its name and I'm sick of my own voice.

[jtrade]

Hi J.

At the moment the Alert is for a set-up, then the background goes red (or blue) when the coloured reversal bars kicks in. So a unconfirmed, and confirmed set-up if you like, see below........

Makes it very easy to see which chart (and time frame) to go look at........ :)

Steve

That is good... how long for the TS8 radarsceen version, please ?

:p

J.

PS. I know & like Ninja - I subscribed when I was day-trading fast charts. I have been trying to "cure" myself of trading the shorter timeframes - it's bad for my golf swing - so no longer use it... but it's a very interesting alternative...

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Guys,

At the moment this is only in the NinjaTrader Market Analyzer window. But you can feed NinjaTrader with both eSignal and Ts8 data, please see:
http://www.ninjatrader.com/web/futures_trading_software_data_feed.htm

Thanks

Steve

[jtrade]

But you can feed NinjaTrader with both eSignal and Ts8 data
Steve

Now that I didn't know - thanks, Steve.

J.

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi J.

Yes, this will mean that you can have much easier charts to use than the TS8 ones and have access to many of the advanced charting features (that are not possible with Easy Language) like multiple DP levels and the R/R tool that only eSignal users have had access to so far............ so a great solution for TS8 users :)

Steve

[CapTech]

How soon we forget our efforts. You have now MTP Setups, Reversal bars and MTP TS data in Radar Screen, just need R/R tool and multiple DPs in TS plus a utility to feed EOD tick for tick real-time data. That we will all remember.....Jim

[Steve Griffiths]

How soon we forget our efforts. You have now MTP Setups, Reversal bars and MTP TS data in Radar Screen, just need R/R tool and multiple DPs in TS plus a utility to feed EOD tick for tick real-time data. That we will all remember.....Jim

Pleasae see my previous post "Yes, this will mean that you can have much easier charts to use than the TS8 ones and have access to many of the advanced charting features (that are not possible with Easy Language) like multiple DP levels and the R/R tool that only eSignal users have had access to so far............ so a great solution for TS8 users"

Steve

[CapTech]

That is good... how long for the TS8 radarsceen version, please ?

I was referring to the fact that we do have MTP Radar Screen indications now..........Jim

[jtrade]

I was referring to the fact that we do have MTP Radar Screen indications now..........Jim

Just to clarify, Jim - what I have been looking for in Radarscreen is a combined MTP SetUps + Reversal bar indicator. I know that visually this is already there at a glance, but I want an alert for this combination.

I don't want Reversal Bar alerts (far too many), nor SetUp alerts without Reversal Bar confirmation (waste of time, although I can see the value on a very fast chart - but 60 min is the fastest I use).

Clearly, I am spoilt...:o

J.

[Steve Griffiths]

Yep,

That is exactly what we will have in the new New NinjaTrader Market Analyzer window, see below.

White background - unconfirmed, and coloured (red or blue) background for a confirmed set-up by the coloured reversal bar - very neat :)

Steve

[CapTech]

Just to clarify, Jim - what I have been looking for in Radarscreen is a combined MTP SetUps + Reversal bar indicator. I know that visually this is already there at a glance, but I want an alert for this combination.

I don't want Reversal Bar alerts (far too many), nor SetUp alerts without Reversal Bar confirmation (waste of time, although I can see the value on a very fast chart - but 60 min is the fastest I use).

Clearly, I am spoilt...:o

J.

You do not have the combination of setups confirmed by reversal bar alerts in TS like you will in NT. You do get a heads up on the setups though in Radar Screen and you can follow many more signals with data without charts......Jim

[ericd2281]

Steve- Everything I am seeing so far on NinjaTrader looks great. I design software for a large law firm in the financial industry so I understand the challenges of 'fitting all situations' or covering every exception.

My only input, for what its worth, would be to focus on MTP's strengths so as to not over engineer the new version and ruin the code in the process.

I am very pleased with the progress and excited for the new version to come out.

Regards,
Eric

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Guys

I continue to be impressed with NinjaTrader, for example how easy it was to set-up a "matrix" to follow all the main Forex pairs on the 60, 240 and 480 min charts............. all at the same time !!

Steve

[d-day]

Hi Steve,

Will the TS6 be available in e-signal, or are all future enhancements require the use of NinjaTrader?

Thank you,

D-Day

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi David,

NinjaTrader can take the eSignal data feed - that is what I am using at the moment and it works very well indeed.

Steve

[tombtrader]

But that will then require a Ninja subscription. And many of us use other front ends.

Will the TS6 be in the eSig Advanced Charts too?

[Steve Griffiths]

But that will then require a Ninja subscription. And many of us use other front ends.

That is the beauty, NinjaTrader is free if you don't want to trade though them :)

Please see http://www.ninjatrader.com/web/download_trading_software_simulator.htm

Steve

[tombtrader]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

:-)

I didn't realise that it included the charting facility too.

Great!

[d-day]

But will it run in e-sig as an efs? Or will it require Ninjatrader?

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi David,

At the moment the only coding we are doing is in NinjaTrader, I have not decided whether the additional work and additional cost to then back engineer these "additional and new" features back into the efs's will be worthwhile, especially as Ninja can run off eSignal as well.

Steve

[Steve Griffiths]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

:-)

I didn't realise that it included the charting facility too.

Great!

Yep, that is what I am using here for all my charts.............

Not only that but it has full simulation and simulated tarde entry, so people can "paper trade" until they are comfortable with the MTP approach. As I said, overall I am very impressed with what I have seen so far with NinjaTrader.

Steve

[Matt Bowen]

I just started using the Ninja Trader and it really happened by accident, the main screen is the order execution window and I clicked on a few buttons and a confirmation window popped up...so that got my attention and I started to look at the order platform and I couldn't believe how easy it was to navigate. Steve said they had a simulator so I fired it up and I could not believe how easy it was... I'm like there's got to be more to it than this??? I don't know who build this, but I want to shake their hand...they did an incredible job and obviously had some traders consulting on the project (either that or the programmer is a trader) all I can say is Very Nice!!!

Ninja Trader was the first order platform that I used that was intuitive... I mean to the point where you actually know where everything is and don't have to call to ask for help. I find Most trading execution platforms are like an "Iron Maiden" :mad: because you have to call somebody and have them walk you through it or you end up reading a 40 page .pdf file (I don't have time for mechanics), I'm not one of the guys that needs to figure out how stuff works...just show me how to use it so I can place orders.

I also thought PFG had a good order platform, but the fills sucked, so I stopped using them. Open-E-Cry has great fills, but the old software was labor intensive. The new version 3.1 is much better, but still has a learning curve. Once you learn it, it's very solid and easy, but you have that initial learning curve and when you start rolling over contracts it becomes a pain in the ass...and you have to call them, but other than that Open-E-Cry has always had good fills and good prices.

Bottom line... once they release the new Ninja Trader platform, you owe it to yourself to check this thing out... Trust me, they did not pay me to plug their software, it's just hard not to like anything about Ninja Trader.

[qitrader]

I've been using Ninja Trader for about almost 1 year and I'm extremely satisfied. My broker is Mirus futures and they are the first to enable zen-fire capability which means my computer connects directly to the Main frame server at the exchanges so my fills and data feed are coming in and out as is. Ninja Trader platform was designed to work with zen fire technology and you can find more information in their website (pretty much summarized in one sentence above).

I want to thank Steve for allowing this opportunity to make MTP available to Ninjatrader users as I have made many requests to him since December 2006. Thanks again as the transition has been very extremely smooth and fast. Time to make "mucho dinero"

[qitrader]

Oh, and you guys probably don't know this. But I can move my targets and stops within the chart by just dragging the lines up or down. I can also set automatic trails once I hit 100 or 200%. All I can say, it is amazing!!!

hehe

[d-day]

so how do you load MTP into NinjaTrader?

[Steve Griffiths]

so how do you load MTP into NinjaTrader?

Hi David,

Very easily indeed :)

please see the help videos at http://www.mtpredictor.com/pricing/RTHelp1.html (towards the bottom of this page).

But, we are still Beta testing and adding new (additional) features, so the official release will not be for 2-3 weeks

Thanks

Steve

[tombtrader]

Can traders using Ninja with their brokers data feedback some names and experience.

I mainly trade Eurex and CME futures and am presently using IB.

Interested in fills from broker as well as data backfilling of charts.

TIA

[qitrader]

Steve,

In market analyzer, is it possible to disable the sound alert when the TS setups show up? I want them to sound only after a reversal bar + TS signal.

thanks

[mydet]

Can NinjaTrader read offline metastock/text file, if can't can you add this. so you don't have to update MTP v5 to V6 and save time and money:D.

and one more can you design SFT with overlap MACD/ Stochastic to save space

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Everybody,

Just to let you all know that NinjaTrader are planning to launch their new v6.0 withing the next 2 days..............

Then, after that we should be ready for a May 1 release of our new MTPredictor add-ons

Steve

[riccja]

Will you have a tutorial on how to incorporate ts8 data into ninja?

I gave it a try this morning following their directions but with no success.

Rick

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Rick,

As always, drop support@MTPredictor.net an email, and we will be glad to help :)

Steve

[jtrade]

Will you have a tutorial on how to incorporate ts8 data into ninja?

I gave it a try this morning following their directions but with no success.

Rick

Rick - would you please post here once you get TS8 data flowing successfully into NT ? I am awaiting both NTv6 + MTP add-ins to be available "and working" ;) prior to trying. I have already posted a couple of questions on the NT forum (re range bar availablity ["in future, but not yet scheduled"] & TS strategy auto-execution via IB for cash fx).

J.

[martinrcox]

It has now been launched and is available to download from their website

[Steve Griffiths]

Rick - would you please post here once you get TS8 data flowing successfully into NT ?
J.

Please email NinjaTrader support on this so they know that getting TS8 data into NT is not as easy as it should be. They need to know that end users are finding this tricky

Thanks

Steve

[stylist]

Hi Steve
I just watched the new ninja trader video help files and saw the new display history filter and im curious to know if this will show all the valid setups that disappeared from the charts on tradestation and can help to achieve more accurate back testing

[riccja]

I downloaded ninja trader 6 this morning and now getting ts8 data. However have not figured out how to get the historical data to show up on chart. I followed their instructions but still no luck

I have sent an email to ninja also

Rick

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Steve
I just watched the new ninja trader video help files and saw the new display history filter and im curious to know if this will show all the valid setups that disappeared from the charts on tradestation and can help to achieve more accurate back testing

Yep, every last one of them !!

But remember, it is not the "number" of profitable trades that makes money over time is is the "size" when compared to the losses - this is the correct position sizing really matters and what most people miss...

So as long as you test with correct position sizing, then you will be OK

Also, the new automatic DP trade will help here as well

Steve

[Steve Griffiths]

I downloaded ninja trader 6 this morning and now getting ts8 data. However have not figured out how to get the historical data to show up on chart. I followed their instructions but still no luck

I have sent an email to ninja also

Rick

Hi Rick,

Yes, please email Ninja so they can see what difficulities you (and many others) are having

Steve

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Guys,

On the TS8 import into NinjaTrader, to help us help you can you please be more specific (and email us) on where you are having trouble, for example

- Can't get TS to export data?
- Can't get NT to import data?
- Can't figure out how to open a chart after data is imported?

The more info we have, the better we will be bale to help you ?

Thanks

Steve

[stevej]

Steve,

As you know I use both EOD & RT versions of MTP.

I hadn't appreciated, until I began to use it, that you intended to charge RT users for the Ninja Trader files.

If that is the case then so be it but if I buy them I do not want to have to pay yet again when version 6 is released.

I'll be grateful (and I suspect others will too which is why I post here rather than e-mail) if you will clarify what will be in version 6. Will it have the same RT facilities as in the free version of Ninja? If so will you discount the price to those who have paid for the EOD, Realtick, e-signal, Tradestation & Ninja versions?

Regards

Steve

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Steve,

As I have already outlined in the daily report, the upgrade for the NinjaTrader add-ons is $250 (for existing RT users), this is to cover the additional programming costs of this NEW version that is on a completly NEW platform.

It is far too early to talk about the new EOD v6.0 as its release its still a long way off yet.........

Thanks

Steve

[riccja]

Steve,

I have been with you from the beginning and also following you when you were doing reports for another Elliot wave software developer. I have to say you have been more then reasonable with the costs associated with mt predictor.

There is nothing like it on the market either in the quality of the software or the suburb support you provide to users.

$250 is a very minimal cost if ninja trader will do what you represent. Once I am able to get the historical data into the charts with t8 data it will be an easy decision for me to make this upgrade.

Thanks for all your hard work

Rick Janov

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Rick,

Thanks for the post...........

Yes, I have tried to keep the upgrade costs down to the bare minimum to just pay for the programming costs for the new add-ons.

I have just completed a new TS8 help video at: http://www.mtpredictor.com/pricing/RTHelp1.html this seems to work very nicely now I have sorted the correct sequence to do everything in.

Thanks and I am glad that you are enjoying the software and the support we offer :)

Steve

[tombtrader]

Sadly, it looks like we will not have Range Bars in Ninja for months:

http://ninjatrader.mywowbb.com/forum12/1723.html

Steve, can you try and get this brought forward. Many of us will become paying customers of Ninja if they do this.

[Steve Griffiths]

I have already asked as well

Thanks

Steve

[mitch]

Hi Rick,

Thanks for the post...........

Yes, I have tried to keep the upgrade costs down to the bare minimum to just pay for the programming costs for the new add-ons.

I have just completed a new TS8 help video at: http://www.mtpredictor.com/pricing/RTHelp1.html this seems to work very nicely now I have sorted the correct sequence to do everything in.

Thanks and I am glad that you are enjoying the software and the support we offer :)

Steve

Whilst I fully endorse Rick's comments (as I'm sure many members do)regarding the great product & support we get from the MTP team, I unfortunately cannot currently trade RT as I have a FT job & therefore purchased/utilise EOD version. Whilst I fully understand why development of RT has been given priority in relation to the opportunity to integrate with NT, one can't help but get a distinct 'lack of urgency' impression re the progress of EOD 6 upgrade (viz status went from earlyish this year to ".....it's a long way off yet" which is disappointing for us who in the meantime can only read (in envy) posts re the great offerings from excited RT users. Don't get me wrong, EOD is a great tool, and not your problem that I am not able to trade FT, however can't help but feel EOD is deemed the poor cousin.

M

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Mitch,

Nothing could be further from the truth, we have two programmers, one for RT and one for EOD, so the EOD programmer has been working continuously on the new EOD, including working many weekends, for over 8 months now...... However, what so many people do not appreciate is how hard it is to develop programs and how much time (and money) it takes.......... For example, the old EOD was 48,000 lines of program code, and the new one will be even longer. Each line has to be written, then debugged. Most users never realize or appreciate how much work goes into software development, including the costs.....

So yes we are still working (and have been solidly) on the new EOD and the RT development was "in parallel" to this and in no way delayed it at all...........

So please bear with us on EOD, we are working as hard as we can, but these things take time...........

Thanks

Steve

[AumInd]

hi guys i was wondering if anyone could give feedback on what their experiences have been with brokers to use through for ninjatrader. I'm looking at using esignal for the data and am unsure as to who to use as a broker. i have read on a couple of different forums that people are having trouble with IB, apparently NT has acknowledged this and recommended they switch providers.

so if anyone could throw some ideas my way as to who to look into it would be much appreciated.

cheers guys

[pbb]

Hi,

I use IB as a broker, that is their specialty and I am a happy customer. However for data I think you're better of with a real data vendor (not IB).
I have used TS and esignal, both have their issues once in a while and probably all others have too. At this moment NT has problems uploading esignal forex data on larger timeframes (180m 240m ....), NT says they are working on it. If you need forex data, maybe you should wait till they solved the problems. It's also possible to get free forex data from Gain for NT, but there seems to be only limited historical data.

[tar001]

Can someone here give me a quick rundown on the features of the NT add ons? are they worth getting? are the Decision Points Automatic? how do they work in Real time? One problem I have had with the Decision Points in Tradestation is which pivot to use the DP on. There are MANY during a trading day and there is alot of divergences as well. I am somewhat excited about the new Ninja platform. If the DP's and divergences are automatic and filtered it MIGHT make the trading day so much more enjoyable.

[tar001]

Alos did I read somewhere that it is possible to trade directly off the NT chart if you have an account with them? if so that would be great!!




Can someone here give me a quick rundown on the features of the NT add ons? are they worth getting? are the Decision Points Automatic? how do they work in Real time? One problem I have had with the Decision Points in Tradestation is which pivot to use the DP on. There are MANY during a trading day and there is alot of divergences as well. I am somewhat excited about the new Ninja platform. If the DP's and divergences are automatic and filtered it MIGHT make the trading day so much more enjoyable.

[Steve Griffiths]

Can someone here give me a quick rundown on the features of the NT add ons? are they worth getting? are the Decision Points Automatic? how do they work in Real time? One problem I have had with the Decision Points in Tradestation is which pivot to use the DP on. There are MANY during a trading day and there is alot of divergences as well. I am somewhat excited about the new Ninja platform. If the DP's and divergences are automatic and filtered it MIGHT make the trading day so much more enjoyable.

YES............ I will release (later today) a new update that has a "new automatic" DP trade set-up.

and YES, they will be found in the Market Analyzer as well :)

See below for an example ..........

Steve

[Steve Griffiths]

Alos did I read somewhere that it is possible to trade directly off the NT chart if you have an account with them? if so that would be great!!

Yep............ as long as you have an account with one of thier supported Brokers (like IB) :)

Steve

[stevej]

YES............ I will release (later today) a new update that has a "new automatic" DP trade set-up.

and YES, they will be found in the Market Analyzer as well :)

See below for an example ..........

Steve

Excellent, will that be from the usual RT section of the members site?

Steve

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Steve

I will send out an email with instructions later today...........

Steve

[tar001]

whoa!! looks too easy? I must see if I can make it alot more diificult
hahah:)



YES............ I will release (later today) a new update that has a "new automatic" DP trade set-up.

and YES, they will be found in the Market Analyzer as well :)

See below for an example ..........

Steve

[Todd Morgan]

Steve,

I watched your Ninja Trader help files and I have one question. In order for the Market Analyzer to function properly does one have to have a chart open for ALL time frames for a particular instrument? In other words if I want to monitor 4 e-mini markets in 4 different time frames do I need to have open on the desktop 16 separate charts?

My great hope is that the answer is no. I currently have to have so many open charts with eSignal that it really puts a strain on my box.

Thanks

[tar001]

no! you only have to have one open with the market analyzer and then you can use that one chart to switch time frames and contracts(that part is easy) its the trading thats hard
haha

[Steve Griffiths]

no! you only have to have one open with the market analyzer and then you can use that one chart to switch time frames and contracts(that part is easy)

Exactly, Ninja is very different from eSignal - no need to have all the charts open........

I only have the Market Analyzer and one chart open here myslef and it works well ....

Steve

[Todd Morgan]

Well that's certainly good to hear. I hadn't planned on switching to Ninja but now I just may be forced to. :)

My clearing firm says we'll have to run it over the PATS network, which I'm not terrribly thrilled about considering PATS past reputation. But I haven't heard any recent feedback on PATS. Anyone use them? Any feedback good or bad is appreciated.

Thanks

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Todd,

The even better part is that you can have two connection in NinjaTrader, one for the data (for your charts), for example esignal, then a second for your trade routing.............

Just an idea.........

Steve

[Todd Morgan]

Hi Steve,

That's working idea right now.

My only concern is the PATS network for execution. Would love any feeback from a current PATS user.

My other alternative is the TT network....but that's $2000 per month for their FIX gateway.:eek:

Thanks,
Todd


Hi Todd,

The even better part is that you can have two connection in NinjaTrader, one for the data (for your charts), for example esignal, then a second for your trade routing.............

Just an idea.........

Steve

[gremtp]

In my opinion, the issue of the different MTP RT add-ons and their different behaviour is becoming a rather important one, at least for me. I thought you may be interested in my two cent..

I am normally using TS with MTP RT, but, as I am trying my hand with range bars, I am now testing eSignal too. In addition, using IB as one of my brokers, I was also curious to see what MTP-NT could do with IB data feed. So I have been running the various combinations side by side for some days.

First thing, limitations: as far as I can tell, if someone wants to use anything different from time bars (like tick or volume bar charts, for instance), TS and IB to be used with NT are non starters. So this leaves eSignal, already quite expensive for what you get, or more expensive solutions.
You may also be interested to know that for some reason not all the data you have real time with IB can be used on NT. I cannot get QM, for instance.
As far as TS as data feed, I do not seem to have too many problems, but the limitations (time bars only) and the time to set-up (adding the strategies on all charts, etc.) are enormous.
As far as time bar charts are concerned, I knew about different data, different algorithms, different logic and all the rest, but I was not prepared to see such big differences in signals from one to the other combination.
The biggest differences are between signals from TS and NT ( I mean signals on TS charts and signals on NT fed by TS data). TS with all filters on gave me some signals that NT (with TS data) does not show even with all filters off.
I am not sure yet if this is good or bad, as some of the signals were good and some were not. Certianly the work to filter out non valid TS4 on NT, for instance, has been remarkable. I guess that the more advanced users will know how to filter good and bad signals themselves….. and anyway, if MTP-TS users out there have been making money for some time, they may just want to get on with the status quo.
However, having seen these differences, assuming that NT is the latest stage in the MTP evolution, and understanding that the evolution in terms of MTP-TS (and eSignal for that matter) will be stopped, I wonder if MTP-TS users really have a choice…

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi gremtp

A good post..............

I too wish developing my strategies was easier (in the real-time environment), and as you say the routines have got better and better as time goes on. This is where NinjaTrader has been a big leap forward over TS8 (in particular) because finally we can program in a sensible language (Easy Language is over 10 years old and way way out of date). So to this end, far more (by the way of filtering and automatic set-ups) has become possible.

So should I not develop to a better platform just because some users have old versions - No. So the challenge for me is to get the best solution for all users given the current state of data feeds and programming platforms. A year ago that was TS8 and eSignal, but NinjaTrader has appeared in the last few months (with the v6 charts release) and has taken this to a whole higher level.

So please do not hold this against us, we are trying to provide better solutions for all our customers.........

Steve

[alvinchiu]

Hi Steve,

I used eSignal before but I cannot get fair results on trading. eSignal alone cost me big pocket of bucks before I can get anything else from the market. So, I quit.

Now, I just hear that MTPredictor is now releasing supported Add-ons for NinjaTrader v6. As for the advantage of wide range of datafeed supported. I am now using FREE data sources for practice account (Connect to GAIN Demo Server) and learn how to use MTP correctly rather than blindly following automatic setup it pops.

That's very important. We junior trader need low-cost (no-cost ;P) practice system to work on before real-trading. It is not possible on eSignal but now possible on NinjaTrade v6 + Add-ons.

But still, as it is early developed product, it have so much to improve. It is a very good start point for me and for other junior MTP customer trader too.

However, the data connection seems a bit unstable (Get disconnected sometimes) and slow on loading with 1G RAM.

I am now have time to wait for better version of Add-ons and practice the RT FOREX trading with MTP :)

Cool. Please keep going Steve :)

By the way, is there any no-cost better datafeed rather than GAIN?


Thanks,
Alvin

[Eckbert]

The issue is IB not NT.

I have three feeds, TS, IB and eSignal. When I do profit testing, I get completely different results for each feed using the same tick value so I need to somehow "match" the different feeds. For IB I use typicaly a number about 20% less than eSignal.

I asked a question earlier in this thread to which I have had ZERO replies, asking about Pats data. If this data is good, then opening an account with a Pats broker using NT may be the best option.

Ho tombtrader, as a matter of interest do you have any problems retrieving data from ESignal. I am trying to change to NinjaTrader. I have created my account as per instructions on the website. When I try and upload a chart, I stare at a blank screen.

I have been issued with a new link to download a "patch" version of NT v 6 which will rectify this problem. However when installing this version I get halfway through and an installation error message appears.

I have deleted all temp files, all history, cookies and jams and other folders, but no success.

So Tomb if your NT is working with ESignal please help me.
Regards Eckbert

[Steve Griffiths]

From NinjaTrader support

Our development deparment has created a custom build with a patch to address the forex issue with eSignal.

Please do the following:

1. Uninstall NT 6 via Windows Control Panel > Add/Remove Programs 2. Clear your internet browser cache and history 3. Install custom build from the link below:
www.ninjatrader-support.com/ninjatrader/nt6.custom/NinjaTrader.Install.msi

Please note, you will want to 'Run' the installer, not Save.

Please let us know if this works.

Steve

[Eckbert]

From NinjaTrader support

Our development deparment has created a custom build with a patch to address the forex issue with eSignal.

Please do the following:

1. Uninstall NT 6 via Windows Control Panel > Add/Remove Programs 2. Clear your internet browser cache and history 3. Install custom build from the link below:
www.ninjatrader-support.com/ninjatrader/nt6.custom/NinjaTrader.Install.msi

Please note, you will want to 'Run' the installer, not Save.

Please let us know if this works.

Steve

Hi Steve,

I will post the error message which I when I install the platorm from this link. NB this is after I have deleted all Internet Temp Files, history and cookies and Windows Temp .

The cabinet file '_1FA7D2FF92403BD6EAFAAF095FEF2E5C' required for this

> installation is corrupt and cannot be used. This could indicate a
> network error, an error reading from the CD-Rom, or a problem with
> this package.

This error message appears on my laptop as well ( second computer)

From the correspondence received from Ninja they also do not know how to solve the problem. That is the reason why I am posting on the forum , because I would like to know if there are other people who experience a similiar problem.

Now to add another problem : If I try and load the ER 2 chart I get the following message:
Error on loading chart data: Native error (-14): You are not entitled for this service.

The above happens when I load data from ESignal.


Eckbert

[Steve Griffiths]

"Now to add another problem : If I try and load the ER 2 chart I get the following message:
Error on loading chart data: Native error (-14): You are not entitled for this service."

is probably because you have not set-up the esignal connection correctly, as outlined in the help videos, remove the connection to "level 2" host. then you should be OK.

Steve

[Eckbert]

"Now to add another problem : If I try and load the ER 2 chart I get the following message:
Error on loading chart data: Native error (-14): You are not entitled for this service."

is probably because you have not set-up the esignal connection correctly, as outlined in the help videos, remove the connection to "level 2" host. then you should be OK.

Steve

Done as per the help video. If you would like me to include a snapshot it can be arranged.
Eckbert

[martinrcox]

Done as per the help video. If you would like me to include a snapshot it can be arranged.
Eckbert

Hi there,

I was also having problems but they have all been solved by that link and it is working fine now. As well as removing Level 2 you must remove "News Server Host" from the connection options window.

The other thing that I found was that I had not removed all the files the first time and therefore when I tried to reload the programme from this link it was not working properly. I went into Windows Explorer and I found that there was a NinjaTrader folder which I had not deleted. It was only after I deleted this that it worked properly. So just removing the software from the "Add and Remove Programme" and going into the "Internet Explorer Options" window and removing the history, cookies from the temporary files and the history was not enough. I use XP so if you are using anything else it may be different for you

Kind regards



Martin

[Eckbert]

Hi there,

I was also having problems but they have all been solved by that link and it is working fine now. As well as removing Level 2 you must remove "News Server Host" from the connection options window.

The other thing that I found was that I had not removed all the files the first time and therefore when I tried to reload the programme from this link it was not working properly. I went into Windows Explorer and I found that there was a NinjaTrader folder which I had not deleted. It was only after I deleted this that it worked properly. So just removing the software from the "Add and Remove Programme" and going into the "Internet Explorer Options" window and removing the history, cookies from the temporary files and the history was not enough. I use XP so if you are using anything else it may be different for you

Kind regards



Martin


Hi MArtin thanks for your reply. The following steps were advised by Ninja:
A)Uninstall program with Add/Remove programs
B)Delete all temp internet files. In IE7 I deleted Temp Internet files, Cookies & History
C)Next I deleted the following folder: Documents & Settings/User/Local Settings/Temp
D)Next I deleted the following folder:Windows/Temp
I then restarted the computer anbd installed Ninja from the "fix" link.

I did a serach for the Windows Explorer folder and found them in :
1) C:\Documnets&Settings\User\Start Menu\Programs\Accessories
2)C:\WINDOWsystem32\config systemprofile\Start Menu\Program\Accessories

When I open these folders I cannot find any reference to NT. Must I delete these 2 folders aswell. It seems as if other programs are using them as well

Your help /input is appreaciated.

Eckbert

[martinrcox]

Hi MArtin thanks for your reply. The following steps were advised by Ninja:
A)Uninstall program with Add/Remove programs
B)Delete all temp internet files. In IE7 I deleted Temp Internet files, Cookies & History
C)Next I deleted the following folder: Documents & Settings/User/Local Settings/Temp
D)Next I deleted the following folder:Windows/Temp
I then restarted the computer anbd installed Ninja from the "fix" link.

I did a serach for the Windows Explorer folder and found them in :
1) C:\Documnets&Settings\User\Start Menu\Programs\Accessories
2)C:\WINDOWsystem32\config systemprofile\Start Menu\Program\Accessories

When I open these folders I cannot find any reference to NT. Must I delete these 2 folders aswell. It seems as if other programs are using them as well

Your help /input is appreaciated.

Eckbert

Hi Eckbert,

Did you not find a folder within "Program Files" on your C drive entitled "Ninja Trader 6" this was the file that I deleted having done steps A) and B) in your plan and like I said it is now working fine. I would not recommend deleting files that are used by other programs that could have serious consequences.

You could try going through the steps again and if it still does not work I suggest that you contact Ryan at support@ninjatrader.com he was really helpful in sorting out the problems that I was experiencing with forex intraday charts

I hope that this works


Martin

[Eckbert]

Hi Eckbert,

Did you not find a folder within "Program Files" on your C drive entitled "Ninja Trader 6" this was the file that I deleted having done steps A) and B) in your plan and like I said it is now working fine. I would not recommend deleting files that are used by other programs that could have serious consequences.

You could try going through the steps again and if it still does not work I suggest that you contact Ryan at support@ninjatrader.com he was really helpful in sorting out the problems that I was experiencing with forex intraday charts

I hope that this works

Martin

Hi Martin to be honest I did not check if the Ninja folder in Program Files was deleted. I will perform the same exercise and check if there is such a folder. If the problem persists I will contact Ryan (and cc Steve and his support staff ) as well.
Thanks for your input
Eckbert

[Eckbert]

Hi there,

I was also having problems but they have all been solved by that link and it is working fine now. As well as removing Level 2 you must remove "News Server Host" from the connection options window.

The other thing that I found was that I had not removed all the files the first time and therefore when I tried to reload the programme from this link it was not working properly. I went into Windows Explorer and I found that there was a NinjaTrader folder which I had not deleted. It was only after I deleted this that it worked properly. So just removing the software from the "Add and Remove Programme" and going into the "Internet Explorer Options" window and removing the history, cookies from the temporary files and the history was not enough. I use XP so if you are using anything else it may be different for you

Kind regards



Martin


Hi Martin see attached images. I am still getting these error messages when opening a chart in NT

Eckbert

[martinrcox]

Hi Martin see attached images. I am still getting these error messages when opening a chart in NT

Eckbert

I take it that you have removed your user name from the shot of the e-signal connection settings as on the second shot it appears that you are connecting OK to e-signal as I can just about see the green connection box in the bottom corner.

I don't know what package you subscribe to with e-signal but that warning normally means that you do subscribe to the service to access the data for the chart that you are trying to open

Try opening the DJIA "Dow Jones Industrial Average" as this comes free with most of the e-signal packages. If you are still having no luck I suggest that you get in touch with Ryan

[Steve Griffiths]

Exactly,

Thanks to Martin and all those who have helped but this is really a question for NinjaTrader supprot and is beyond the scope of this Forum (which is not for support questions).

But I had not thought that this person may not be subscribed in eSignal for the required exchange - so a good point there martin (do you want a job is technical support ;) )

Steve

[Steve Griffiths]

Exactly,

Thanks to Martin and all those who have helped but this is really a question for NinjaTrader supprot and is beyond the scope of this Forum (which is not for support questions).

But I had not thought that this person may not be subscribed in eSignal for the required exchange - so a good point there martin (do you want a job in technical support ;) )

Steve

[Eckbert]

Exactly,

Thanks to Martin and all those who have helped but this is really a question for NinjaTrader supprot and is beyond the scope of this Forum (which is not for support questions).

But I had not thought that this person may not be subscribed in eSignal for the required exchange - so a good point there martin (do you want a job in technical support ;) )

Steve
Hi Steve I have subscribed to the ESignal Premier package. I will contact Esignal that they supply me with a detailed list of markets covered with the premier package.

Steve you may refer to this person as Eckbert. I do not have a problem with this. At the end of the day I have 30 days to get to k now your program and the underlying platform.

[Steve Griffiths]

Yes you also need to subscribe to the relevant exchanges in eSignal to be able to receive that data

Thanks

Steve

[Eckbert]

Hi Steve/ Martin.

The guys from Ninja managed to sort my problem out. First of all Steve it has never been my intention to aggravate, or upset, or be rude to anybody. If I have upset anybody I do apologise and please pardon me. I have not worked with any platform like Esignal or NT beforehand. For me it has been a tremndous learning curve. Steve I hope you realise that as a newbie it does become frustrating that when you try and install a software and nothing happens. You are then told do this and do this and still no result.

But lets forget this. The reason why I am posting this is that if sombeody else experiences a similiar problemin the future they can learn from this.

Vincent from Ninja support suggested that I use Firefox as my explorer and use Firefox instead of IE7. Well it worked. The installation worked perfectly.

Martin thansk for your help and input as well.

Regards Eckbert

[Steve Griffiths]

Amazing it was such a simple fix as using a different Explorer program, so not a problem with the NinjaTrader fix at all, just a Internet Explorer problem...... :o

Steve

[dctommy]

Steve:

Can you please create MTP real time for esignal so it does NOT need
the premeire data feed? It is getting quite expensive...

Tom

[Steve Griffiths]

I think you will be able to use the cheaper data only eSignal feed in NinjaTrader :)

Steve

[gremtp]

I am trying to put back the Ninjatrader related posts into this thread from the US market thread, so I copy this message from there

WOW! That’s what I call a responsive customer desk!!
Steve, your last post made most of the ranting I have promised in my previous post quite redundant, now. I will keep it for a better time, just in case.
I am a (reluctant) user of eSignal too, so I would support continuing the development of eSignal. I know TS programming is a bitch, but I would strongly favour that too, otherwise I will still be back to square one in terms of obsolescence of MTP TS.
I am completely with jtrade on this.

NT was originally created to do something else (I have used in them in the past to partially automate my entry/exit strategies). They have made impressive progress and are a very clever bunch of guys, but they have still quite some way to go to get to the level that other technical software. Perhaps they could try to address the issues coming out from the first test of MTP NT and maybe they will have a suitable product in the very near future, as jtrade seems to suggest?

[stevej]

I think you will be able to use the cheaper data only eSignal feed in NinjaTrader :)

Steve

Am I right in thinking this feed no longer exists?

Steve

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Steve

It does but not shown on the Esignal web site, only for 3rd party vendors, we hope to have more info soon.

Steve

[jcsteward]

Hi, Steve

I notice that DP and TS signals on market analyzer don't show up on charts, or sometimes the other way around.( A signal on chart not appearing on market analyzer) :confused:
I wonder this has to do with Interactive Brokers data feed.
Any suggestions?

Thx.

[swissoaktree]

Hi, Steve

I notice that DP and TS signals on market analyzer don't show up on charts, or sometimes the other way around.( A signal on chart not appearing on market analyzer) :confused:
I wonder this has to do with Interactive Brokers data feed.
Any suggestions?

Thx.

You have to make sure that your time frames (9:30 - 14:15) or whatever time frames you have on your Market Analyzer correspond with the same time frames in your chart. Go properties on each chart to verify. The filters have to agree

[jcsteward]

You have to make sure that your time frames (9:30 - 14:15) or whatever time frames you have on your Market Analyzer correspond with the same time frames in your chart. Go properties on each chart to verify. The filters have to agree

I already checked them. They have the same timeframes.

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Guys,

Yes, that is normally the reason, that the start and stop times or the filters are different.

We run the same code on each, so if the settings are the same on each, the result will be the same.

Steve

[Porque]

Hi all,
I noticed the same issue as jcsteward.
Several times signals on market analyzer don't show up on charts.
I used IB feed.
To correct this problem, I had to remove the instrument from the market analyser, add it again and reopen the chart.

[jcsteward]

Hi all,
I noticed the same issue as jcsteward.
Several times signals on market analyzer don't show up on charts.
I used IB feed.
To correct this problem, I had to remove the instrument from the market analyser, add it again and reopen the chart.

thanks, Porque :)
That fixed the problem. Still wonder why this happened though.

[jcsteward]

Does anyone know what tick size and point value for CAC on NT?
and any other info to set it up.
I accidentally removed CAC from instrument manager.
I also wonder what currency i need to use for trading.
Thanks in advance.

[Eckbert]

Does anyone know what tick size and point value for CAC on NT?
and any other info to set it up.
I accidentally removed CAC from instrument manager.
I also wonder what currency i need to use for trading.
Thanks in advance.

The tick value is 0,5 and the point value is 10
Eckbert

[Angel]

Hello Steve, hello all

This question could be helpful for Ninja Trader users.....

Becoz MTP is a breakout method, do you use :

1) LIMIT orders (LEFT click button using the SuperDom)
2) STOP LIMIT orders (MIDDLE click button)

What would be your advice concerning orders type for your trade entries ?

Thanks

Have a good trading day

Cheers

Angel

[swissoaktree]

I use Buy and Sell Stops to enter. You can use Stop Limits if you want. But I highly recommend learning how to trade off of the chart. it makes preparing and executing a trade very fast and efficient.

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Guys

This is a question you can ask to NinjaTrder in their Seminar to us next week......

Steve

[Angel]

Hello Steve, Hello all,

Because I use to trade many symbols at a time, sometimes I don't have enough time to adjust my ATR trailing stop when prices go in the right direction !!

So would it be possible to create a Ninja script in the MPT add-on for adjusting automatically the ATR trailing stop as an exit order ?

Thanks

Regrds

Angel

[Steve Griffiths]

A good idea, I will look into it...

Thanks

Steve

[Angel]

Hello Steve,

Avoiding tipo errors by setting automatically a trailing exit is a good thing for traders who want to improve significantly their efficience !!

Thanks for your careful attention :)

Have a good trading day all

Regrds

Angel

[billm]

Hello All,

Does anyone have comments on the stability of the new NT6 version?

Thanks, BillM

[Steve Griffiths]

Hi Bill

I have been using it with Signal data (on one PC) and with DTN.IQ (data) and IB (Broker connection) on my trading PC, and all is working smoothly.

Thanks

Steve

[jcsteward]

Hi Bill

I have been using it with Signal data (on one PC) and with DTN.IQ (data) and IB (Broker connection) on my trading PC, and all is working smoothly.

Thanks

Steve

Hi, Steve
It looks like you use DTN.IQ data feed to make your trades. Do you think how its data quality comparing to eSignal's? I'm trying to find other reliable data providers other than esignal. Not to mention its high cost.
Thanks,

[riccja]

Right now I am using ts8.3 and using it for data feed into nt. I have 6 one min charts open and all seems to be going well. In a prior version of ts i tried opending 1 min charts for all of the forex...and had some problems.... I know there are some issues with using ts and nt...but I get all of the ts data for only the exchange fees and forex is free.

Signing up with iqdata with forex would be an additional 75 a month plus exchange fees.

My question then is....is anyone using ts8.3 successfully with nt...and how many 1 min charts do you have open..it the max you can get away with.....

Steve..i know you are working on ts8 elds....but nt is great for managing trades...so really hope I can do it with nt and ts8. I tried open tick...no good...and no forex.

Esignal is very expensive.

Thanks

Rick

[Steve Griffiths]

Data, data, data,

The on-going nightmare for us all :confused:

Yes I am "testing" DTN/IQ data here and I have still to get a few things square before I am happy to recommend them with Ninja.

As we all know, TS8 is not designed to export data or work with any "external" program easily so will always be a tricky solution.

So I guess it is up to the individual user. I hate to say it but you do get what you pay for, and eSignal remains the easiest to use in this respect. The less you pay the more hassle you can expect. This is just life...

I too wish data was easier.....

Steve

PS, I will interested to see what Genesis turns out to be like (later in the yaer with the MTP add-ons)..,

[riccja]

Steve,

I read somewhere that there is a data only package...with esignal. Are you aware of that and the cost? Any discounts also avail?

thanks

Rick

[Steve Griffiths]

Correct

Tony has outlined the costs on a seperate thread.

You need to call eSignal directly to get this "data only" package as there are no details on their web site

Thanks

Steve

[riccja]

Just so you know...you cannot use ninja trader and forex unless you go through gain.....they say they dont support any other feed for forex.

Rick

[tar001]

One way to bring the cost of Esignal down is by prepaying the year. It is a nice savings and I think that Esignal is the best data provider. Speaking of Esignal any thoughts as to when the new EFS's will be ready? I am anxiously waiting.




Right now I am using ts8.3 and using it for data feed into nt. I have 6 one min charts open and all seems to be going well. In a prior version of ts i tried opending 1 min charts for all of the forex...and had some problems.... I know there are some issues with using ts and nt...but I get all of the ts data for only the exchange fees and forex is free.

Signing up with iqdata with forex would be an additional 75 a month plus exchange fees.

My question then is....is anyone using ts8.3 successfully with nt...and how many 1 min charts do you have open..it the max you can get away with.....

Steve..i know you are working on ts8 elds....but nt is great for managing trades...so really hope I can do it with nt and ts8. I tried open tick...no good...and no forex.

Esignal is very expensive.

Thanks

Rick

[Sejake]

Anyone using Gain data with Ninja Trader? I'm just getting my gain data feed set up in the next day or two and may consider going RT if the data seems decent in NT.
Any experiences with this data feed good or bad would be appreciated.

Thanks, Sejake

[mydet]

Can you add new scanner future for NT, like Close above ATR Stop (Breakout) & STF Change to Blue or Above 0.

Counter (timer) that show how long the bar will close

[lentrade]

I have a very nice tool for the counter timer, always on the desktop with several time frames and allerts. If you are interested mail me I will send you the zip file
Heinz
lenhardtrading@bluewin.ch

[lentrade]

here is the link to download:

http://madscalper.com/download.htm

Download: Frozen Ice Blue Advanced Timer

Heinz

[tombtrader]

Here is another timer that works for tick and volume charts as well as minute charts.

http://woodiescciclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2490&start=15

[lentrade]

In the new NinjaTrader update Vers. 6.0.1000.3 are both indicators Tick Counter and Bar Timer now available.
Heinz

[yeneuro]

I have them on my charts but I believe I had to download the scripts. Let me know if you need a link.

[billm]

Hello all,

I frequently encounted NT6 charts missing periods of data from the esignal data feed. For example, this morning all of yesterdays intraday data in the 10yr (ZNU7) is missing. Does anyone else have this problem?

This week data has been missing from the mini Dow (YMU7), CrudeOil (CLQ7&QMU7) and several Globex currency futures (6BU7, 6CU7, 6JU7).

In all instances the data in question loads and displays properly in the esignal platform.

Any assistance with this problem would be appreciated.

Thanks, BillM

[tombtrader]

I have all sorts of issues with NT, including missing data. My work around has been to delete the chart, close down NT completely, reopen NT with no charts and recreate my charts using templates. This usually resolves the problem but is a huge pain. If I have more than 3 charts open, more problems.

[Biggo]

I am running NT using data from IB. I have 16 Charts open & 2 Market Analyzer Windows. Sometimes it gets hung when first loading but generally it runs very well.
I do sometimes get gaps in data & overcome this by using the Reload historic data function in the tools menu. This works every time with IB dataa but cannot say for esignal as I dont use it.

Cheers

Phil

[billm]

Thanks for the responses on the data issue, much appreciated.

Have you had any luck getting the side-by-side grains (zw, zc, zs, etc) to display in NT6? I get nothing when loading them into either a chart or mkt. anal. even though they work in esignal.

Also, do you receive spurious digits on your 6JU7 charts, etc.?

Thanks, BillM

[mydet]

Esignal have multi study, can MTP for NinjaTrader have this.

[Steve Griffiths]

Tabbed studies is a question for NinjaTrader, so I suggest you drop them a line and suggest it as a new feature for their product

Thanks

Steve

[mydet]

Steve

Can you add Ninjatrader with Candle stick/Bar Status box:cool: that automatic display what Candle stick/Bar that have buy/sell signal in Panel 1 or Panel 2.

[Minor]

DOM order entry cheat sheet:)